Auto-Align 2.1.0 Public Beta 1

Great news, but is it only for the Auto Align regular version or also for the Post version?

Correct. This isn’t for Auto-Align Post

Thanks for clarifying, Yair.

Installed fine and working in Cubase 12 on Win 11.

I dig the new features.

Request: after I capture and align, the drum OHs and rooms move too far negative. I always click to find the most in phase setting that is close to their original distance. I have to click through options for each OH track. It would be great to be able to index both tracks together (retaining relative offset) and instantly hear them at each shifted distance. Same for rooms, shifting one at a time sucks.
I could route them to a stereo track and insert AA2 on that instead. Or, the grouping function may already allow shifting them together. I’ll RTFM.

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Hi @velvetgeorge ,
Your feedback is really appreciated!

Are you using the stereo linking? This can be done by selecting the mono tracks of the pair and linking them from the edit menu.

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Hi Tal!
I really like the innovations! Thank you!
One question? In the full version, do you expect to be able to automate the switching of preset banks. This could be a great advantage for concert recordings where the changing seating arrangement can change the microphone positions.

Ahhh! I figured I was missing something. Thank you.

Would it be possible to impose limits to how far a track can move? For example, limit my OH mics to moving not more than 20cm. Limit my room mics from moving more than 1m.
I just want tracks placed at their most in-phase sample position at their relative distance.

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Being able to set movement limits would be great! It would save so much time moving everything back to the aligned versions of something close to the original positions, like room mics. I definitely dont want to move my room mics 6m ever.

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My vote on that FR
+1

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Maybe we could have zones. Very close, near field, mid field and far. Graphical layout of distance and which mics are where would be incredible.

Did you give the minimal timing changes mode a try? I think that it might result with what you’re looking for.

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I flipped between minimal and optimal a few times, but I need to spend more time comparing. Not sure I understood exactly what that was doing.

Thanks!

Flipping it is just a setting for the next alignment of the group (as well as the options to disable/enable all-pass filters for tracks, the intention is you press align again after).

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Hi @KaZse ,

This could be a great advantage for concert recordings where the changing seating arrangement can change the microphone positions.

It would be great understanding you use-case better. Isn’t separating the two performances into separate tracks makes more sense?

I tried going through Optimal and Minimal quite a bit in the last couple days, and both still move the mics over 1m, which is not really ideal, plus it seems like there are fewer in-between settings I can chose. Because of that, I am actually having a harder time finding ideal alignments for drum tracks.

I do appreciate having the unit of measurement locked, as well as the clarified labeling. Is there a way lock the results to positive polarity on all tracks? This version seems to want to flip everything to start with negative polarity.

Hi Tal!
Thanks for your reply!
This is a post-production of a classical music concert recording. The Decca Tree and my room mics are a given, no change. But the position of the spot microphones for each instrument group and instrument changes according to the number of players and the seating arrangement of the orchestra. Such a change can be up to 4-5 in one concert.
So far, I’ve thought of keeping Decca and the room pair in one group, and then keeping the changing spots in a separate group. But as a result of experimentation, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s better to count the spots and the Decca, room pair for each formation as one.
Thanks to the built-in preset banks and the import/export function of the presets, it is easy to store up to four orchestral formations. And if preset switching could be automated, it would be heaven! :slight_smile:

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I am still in the trial period with AA2.
Just downloaded the beta and tried it on a project (Logic 10.7.9) I was testing AA2 with before. I decided to exchange the existing AA2 plugins with the ARA versions, before starting to test the beta.
Interestingly all channels now have a 32 digit in brackets behind their names in the plugin. Looks very cluttered.

A bug? Caused by changing the plugin to ARA (have deleted the existing capture thou)? Intentionally?

BTW I am now getting totally different numbers compared to the version before. No matter if using optimal/minimal. And those numbers I get with the beta don’t make sense, frankly.

Hi @froggy333 ,
I guess you have an Apple silicon (M1/M2) machine.
Unfortunately, ARA isn’t yet supported as native Apple silicon by Apple’s Logic Pro X.

In order to benefit from ARA2 under Logic, you must open it as Rosetta by making sure the Open using Rosetta is ticked.


(right click the Logic app under Applications and then Get Info)

If you have more questions, let us know!

Spectral phase optimization per-track toggle is definitely welcome, however, i would REALLY like a global toggle as well, so i can switch Spectral optimization completely off for all tracks forever, unless i switch it on again, maybe also turn it off in the analyzation stage to speed things up… Since i rarely actually want spectral optimization - slightly muddy high-end on drums & guitars to me sounds like tape. And i like tape. Also my OCD hates Allpass filters for some reason, i know they are barely audible, but still, i would like an option to only shift the timing of my tracks without additional filtering…
I also have a question/suggestion regarding Absolute Phase optimization… As far as i understand, all tracks would benefit from that process, so maybe ungrouped tracks should also be checked for Absolute Phase individually, one by one? Let’s say, if a preamp for a lead vocal mic was wired backwards & ended up with flipped polarity, Auto-Align 2 won’t fix it unless you group it with an empty track or something else… I hope i make sense here.

Good update, but for my applications i am still missing a “no track earlier than this track/group” option - essential for everything you record with an AB spaced pair oder Decca tree if you want to keep the depth/imaging of the recording (also if your overheads are your main drum mics …)

Christian

Hi KaZse,
I’d love to learn from your experience since it seems similar here, and I’m kind of stuck.
Guess I have to use more channels not to ‘irritate’ Autoalign 2.1,
May I ask how many mics you have to align?
How do you spread them to channels/tracks,
and do you insert Auto Align 2 on all of them (grouped) or only several?
Finally - did you find a workaround for you concerts with the changing mic positions? ‘Does it work’ with the shortcuts in Autoalign 2.1 ?

  • As stated - would be great to learn a workaround for that. :slight_smile: